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忤逆兄弟「偷賣」老豆養老屋事件流程:
1. 原告老豆多年黎係咁換樓,去到2008年61歲,終於以400萬買入維景灣畔單位
2. 原告老豆95年賣哂所有樓05年入住公屋單位,原來係因為借公務員身份排公屋入住(你當係變相公務員宿舍啦);反映佢本身就係一個算死草嘅人;去到08年,由於唔想/唔夠錢一炮過買樓,於是自己先比120萬首期,再叫兩個仔做掛名業主,申請30年280萬按揭
3. 買樓果陣聲稱同兩兄弟講到明層樓係歸老豆自己,然後叫兩兄弟每人每個月交$5500當交租同伙食費──其實即係變相叫兩個仔用呢筆錢幫佢供樓>>>有廢老唔忿氣,想幫老豆辯解,話$5500你有份住同食架,你自己肯接受咁嘅條件就唔好怨>>>咁我又講啦,你呢個老豆借得兩個仔個名掛名做業主,就預撚咗人地反檯啦仆街
4. 原告老豆講到明佢兩個仔當時出黎做嘢無耐,大仔月入萬八、細仔月入萬二;而佢地仲要「還錢比大學所以唔會有錢比首期」,但佢地屋企既然有錢買樓,基本上申請唔倒今關Loan,所以九成都係借non-mean>>>>>>>一個算係小康之家都叫兩個仔借non-mean之餘,又要佢地出黎做野即刻交三至五成收入做家用,個老豆都算好撚刻薄
5. 響前年佢地四口再買入海天晉兩個單位,一個由佢地老母持有,另一個由兩兄弟夾份持有;響佢地老母死後,老母轉比兩兄弟持有(被告老豆話係兩兄弟夾計車佢老母去律師行改遺囑),而原告老豆就入住兩兄弟夾份持有嘅新單位。
6. 然後就發原告老豆講果件事:兩兄弟響無通知老豆嘅情況下賣走原有單位,但其實個老豆根本就唔係住響佢口中所謂「養老屋」。照常理只要老豆證實倒層樓自己有份比首期,響賣樓後就應該可以獲得相應比例業權嘅樓價;至於兩兄弟供樓筆錢究竟當係供樓定係比家用,就要等個官判。但其實兩兄弟30年按揭只係供咗10年唔夠,扣埋利息最多只係供咗七八十萬左右,同老豆果份120萬首期相比,賣咗樓個官可能都只係會判番一小半比佢地,但都有四五百萬……
7. 坊間有說話兩兄弟賣樓其實係想退番之前佢地買新樓時額外果筆15%印花稅(謝網友指正,因海天晉係樓花,所以如果賣咗老豆層養老屋的確可以退稅);合理懷疑就係兩兄弟想賣樓套現兼退稅但老豆唔肯,於是就夾硬黎
8. 最後老豆就諗住踢爆兩兄弟當年虛報職業呃按揭,大家攬住一齊死──只可以講,去到呢一刻,老豆根本無當過佢地係仔;而兩個仔亦唔打算當佢係老豆,非常好,咁先係撇除利益後真正嘅人倫關係
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每次見倒呢啲家庭爭產新聞,報紙一定用上「忤逆仔女」黎批評真係覺得好厭倦:家下得老豆一面之詞,果兩個仔有出過聲咩?咁快就可以落判斷?
成件事其實複雜到嘔,最重要果PART響呢度:
//土地註冊處資料,原告於81年以約43萬元買入第一城單位,至88年以50萬元出售單位;95年以440萬買入又一居單位,翌年以458萬賣出。至2009年原告以400萬元買入調景嶺維景灣畔物業
原告指當時兩子雖已投身社會,但收入均不過兩萬,且要向政府還錢,故物業仍由他支付首期,但由兩子登記為業主,以便申請280萬元的按揭貸款。
原告指一直視該物業是「養老屋」,並已跟兩子說明兩人只是掛名業主,亦要求兩人各自支付5,500元家用,當作交租和膳食費。//
個根源就係家用問題。大仔同細仔出黎做嘢果陣,月薪就只係得萬八同萬二之餘仲要還non-mean(屋企咁有錢一定申請唔倒關窿,然後仲要兩兄弟借non-mean,呢個老豆都唔荒好人),你就要求佢地掛名做業主之餘,又要佢地每人比$5500家用供樓,280萬分30年供平均每月萬鬆啲,然後就要兩個仔每人比$5500家用夾埋萬幾蚊就填番供樓條數,到三十年後供滿層樓就係你自己嘅。
咁果兩個仔係咪仆街?即使撇除佢地父子關係係咪惡劣唔講,都真係仆街,尤其係去到迫走老豆果刻,兩兄弟本身都已夾份有一個物業,老母死咗個物業又讓埋比佢地,有哂樓住仲要偷偷地換埋鎖唔比老豆上樓果下真係賤;
但外人有無資格論斷佢、話佢地係忤逆父母嘅仆街仔?咁你要諗,業主係佢地兩個名、每個月係響佢地戶口轉帳、賣咗層樓(而家升到1115萬),照理個老豆點都拎得番佢比咗首期果截比例業權;而由你行古惑想利用兩個仔幫你做按揭同供樓開始,亦應該有心理準備可能會有呢一日;
至於點解佢兩個仔要做到咁盡?可能係佢地本身賤格,但亦可能係本身呢個老豆出咗問題,我地無從得知──因為佢地老豆而家住緊層樓,其實都係由佢兩兄弟持有,佢老豆事實上並唔係無家可歸;至於個老豆講到為個仔入喇沙先搬去九龍塘,Sorry,你覺得係為個仔好其實只係你內心想個仔入名校,人地唔一定鍾意,亦唔一定因為咁而孝順;掉番轉個老豆講到後期全家有成兩千萬資產,但都仲要迫啱啱出黎做嘅果兩個仔「交租同比家用」,仲要做埋人頭幫你做按揭,其實都好人有限。
而由佢地死咗老母之後突然全面反檯可見,呢兩兄弟亦可能忍咗佢地老豆好耐,只係諗住俾面老母等佢病死埋先郁手。
點解我會對呢件事咁感嘆?因為我實在遇得太多呢啲事例:父母本來同仔女關係經已唔好甚至惡劣,但又成日用層樓作為工具釣住仔女迫佢地孝順,又話死咗層樓就會係你嘅、聽話嘅話就可能會資助你供樓……本來你情我願咁都算,但偏偏呢班父母又會計撚到盡,包括扣起層樓迫你同佢住受佢氣比家用直到佢斷氣果刻,個業權就「可能」會轉比你;期間少少唔高興又可以搵層樓要脅住你,甚至搞到你之前嘅「孝順」前功盡廢……
然後好多仔女「忤逆」父母上新聞果刻,傳媒就只會集中講老豆老母有幾慘幾慘、仔女有幾衰幾衰,但永遠無人去諗,明明一家人關係點解會惡劣到一個咁嘅地步,養不教究竟係唔係父母之過。
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【The flawed verification system - An open letter to Facebook】
To Facebook administrators:
In recent days, social media platform Facebook responded to German government officials, who declared that Facebook should be sanctioned for fake news and hate speech, that Facebook will undertake new measures, whereby if anyone finds any news reports questionable, they can report the post as “fake news”, and the article in question would be handed over to Correctiv, a non-profit investigative journalism organisation, for examination. If found to be fake, the article would be flagged as “questionable”, upon which Facebook will downgrade that news report’s priority order, limiting its reach by decreasing the frequency of it appearing on newsfeeds as a way of response to control the fake news epidemic. As an officially registered media organisation, Passion Times welcomes this.
However, Facebook’s effort to curb fake news, in putting an end to the spread of fake reports, is a cause for concern on the outset. On the web there are numerous platforms, commonly referred to as “content farm”, that often use inflammatory headlines to spread false information; and in the Chinese-speaking section of the interweb, Buzzhand is one of the major “content farm” which would spread false news and information online, and yet they received authentication from Facebook. This situation is a cause for wonder. Facebook’s certification, commonly known as “the blue tick”, is an accreditation system for indicating that a page and/or a person is indeed authentic, guaranteeing that the organisation, company, person and such identity would not be stolen or impersonated to spread false information, or profiting from fraud, which may lead to the related organisation, company, person or the public at large suffering from loss of money or damage in reputation. Buzzhand, which often releases “content farm” material, would receive Facebook’s verification is something that inevitably leads one to question their resolution in striking back at the dissemination of false news, whether or not Facebook identifies with these sources of false information, or supports these platforms in continuing to exist and spreading false information, by verifying Buzzhand.
Concurrently, Facebook’s authenticating system seems to neglect certified media organisations that are doing their best in providing truthful, vigorously verified information, by refusing to grant them verification, approving platforms that spread false news instead. This is disappointing to those in the media industry. As an officially registered press agency, Passion Times had operated with all seriousness, producing its own programmes on a daily basis, with different writers supplying their original articles, as well as our editorial team earnestly reporting news, delivering all sorts of rigorously verified information. Passion Times had also applied for Facebook’s “blue tick” authentication in accordance with procedure more than 20 times, and yet to this day have not received the needed authentication.
On the other hand, a host of other similar online media such as Stand News, which had more than 180,000 likes; or HK01, which had 210,000 likes, all received the “blue tick” verification, all except Passion Times which has more audience, more reach and coverage, with close to 420,000 likes, still waiting for its “blue tick” verification. For Passion Times, a media body that had painstakingly operated for years, it begs the question whether or not there is a flaw in Facebook’s authentication system; secondly, with Facebook still not forthcoming with authentication approval, it would mean that Passion Times is in danger of not being able to operate normally at any time, should any pro-government individuals, or those holding opposing political views, launch an assault by abusing the reporting system, in retaliation against our political stance. There had been a similar situation, whereby a site and Facebook page impersonated Passion Times, affecting this company and its viewers. The aim of Passion Timeshaving authentication from Facebook is for Facebook users to be able to determine the impersonators, as well as maintaining the flow of truthful information.
If Facebook sits back and does nothing, should Passion Times suffer from assaults due to our political standpoint, by pro-government individuals, or those with different political positions who would abuse the reporting system, inevitably it begs the question whether or not Facebook, as a social media platform, has a political predisposition in terms of openness and fairness. Passion Times believes that Facebook, as a social media platform, would have an in-depth understanding that a media platform’s transparency and fairness has close ties with the users’ trust and continual patronage, for users hope to disseminate and receive information upon a credible, transparent and fair platform. Should a social media platform unable to maintain its credibility, transparency and fairness, its future development is a cause for concern.
Passion Times hopes that Facebook can directly address the “content farm” issue, as well as platforms such as Buzzhand, which often disseminates “content farm” type of falsified information, damaging the flow of information. Passion Times believes that Facebook understands, that a new media organisation’s information broadcast and the dissemination of information through social media platforms have an intimate, symbiotic relationship; media organisations through releasing different types of truthful information via a credible, open and fair social media platform can bring about mutually beneficial symbiosis. Passion Timeswishes that Facebook could provide a fair treatment in regards to the verification system for media platforms, demonstrating their resolution and ability to strike at “content farm”, ensuring the truthful nature of information online, as well as maintaining the positive development in the relationship between media outlets and social media platforms. Passion Times once had an impersonator with their own website and Facebook page, having the authentication would help Facebook users distinguish the original and the fakes, this is the aim of us having said verification. If Facebook chooses to ignore Passion Times’ application, it would damage Facebook’s corporate image. Facebook should directly address the above issues with haste, giving peace of mind to media platform and Facebook users.
Kind regards,
Passion Times
26 January, 2017
致Facebook管理人:
近日社交媒體平台Facebook回應德國政府人員聲言要為假新聞及仇恨言論制裁Facebook的言論,指Facebook將會措取新措施,如有人質疑媒體消息,可在貼文選項檢舉「假新聞」,然後將相關文章送交非牟利的調查記者團體Correctiv審批;若查明屬實,會將Facebook文章標為「有爭議」,Facebook將會降低該新聞的優先次序,減少它出現於動態時報上的次數,作為遏止假新聞肆虐的應對手法。作為正式登記的媒體機構,《熱血時報》對此表示歡迎。
不過,Facebook遏止假新聞的力度,從根本上打杜絕假新聞的傳播的決心實在令人質疑。網絡上有不少平台,常以搧情標題發放虛假資訊,這些資訊俗稱「Content Farm」,而在華文世界,其中一個主要發布「Content Farm」,在網上經常發放假新聞訊息,聲名狼藉的平台 Buzzhand 竟然獲得 Facebook 的認證,這種狀況實在令人費解。俗稱「藍剔」的Facebook 認證資格,是標示該專頁及人士為真確的認可系統,保障該組織、公司、人士等的身分不會被人盜用冒充,進而散播虛假資訊、欺詐獲利,導致相關組織、公司、人士等以及公眾不會因此而冒受金錢、名譽等損失。然而經常發放「Content Farm」的 Buzzhand 竟然獲得 Facebook 的認可,此舉令人質疑Facebook對於打擊假新聞傳播的決心,因為 Facebook 認證 Buzzhand 難免令人懷疑 Facebook 認同發放假新聞訊息的平台,支持相關平台繼續存在以及散播虛假訊息。
同時 Facebook 的認證系統亦似乎對於嚴謹核實、辛苦傳播真確資訊的正式傳媒機構的努力有所忽略,竟然不予認證,反而認證發放虛假訊息的平台,實在令傳媒工作者心寒。《熱血時報》作為正式登記的報業機構,一直認真經營,每日發放自家製作的節目、不同作者提供的原創文章、以及編採團隊認真報導的新聞,發放各式各樣嚴謹認真的資訊,並按照程序申請 Facebook 「藍剔」認證逾20次,至今卻仍未取得認證。
反之,一眾網媒同業,例如18萬多人讚好的立場新聞、21萬多人讚好的香港01等都獲得「藍剔」認證,但唯獨是受眾更多,覆蓋面更廣,近42萬人讚好的《熱血時報》卻一直未能獲得「藍剔」認證,對辛苦經營媒體多年的《熱血時報》懷疑 Facebook 的認證系統是否存在漏洞;二是 Facebook 遲遲未有認證,令《熱血時報》隨時因為立場,被親政府或政治立場不同人士發動舉報攻擊而無法正常運作。而類似情況亦曾經出現。網上曾經出現偽冒《熱血時報》的專頁及網站,對本報以及讀者都造成影響,《熱血時報》獲得認證對於Facebook 用戶分辨真偽,確保真實資訊流通,此為認證計劃之目的。
如果 Facebook 坐視不理,一旦《熱血時報》因為立場,而遭被親政府或政治立場不同人士發動舉報攻擊而無法正常運作,難免令人質疑 Facebook 作為社交媒體平台的公開性、公正性,是否在政治上有所傾側。《熱血時報》相信 Facebook 作為社交媒體平台,深深明白媒體平台的公開性、公正性對於用戶的信心、會否繼續使用有密切關係,因為用戶希望能夠在一個有公信力、公開、公正的平台發放、接受各式資訊,假使一個社交媒體平台未能維持其公信力、公開性、公正性,其未來發展實在值得擔憂。
《熱血時報》希望 Facebook 能夠正視「Content Farm」以及發放「Content Farm」一類虛假資訊的平台,例如 Buzzhand 對於傳訊的禍害 ,《熱血時報》相信 Facebook 明白,新媒體機構的資訊發放與社交媒體平台的傳播,存在互相助益、密不可分的關係,發放多樣且真確資訊的媒體機構,和有公信力、公開、公正的社交媒體平台,能夠促進兩者次間的相互發。《熱血時報》期望 Facebook 在認證系統上對於媒體平台給予公正的處理,表現打擊「Content Farm」,確保網絡資訊的真確性的決心和能力,與及維持媒體和社交媒體平台之間良性發展的關係。《熱血時報》曾經出現偽冒 Page 及網站,認證有助 Facebook 用戶分辨真偽,此為認證計劃之目的。假若無視《熱血時報》的申請,將會有損 Facebook 的企業形象, Facebook 應正視上述問題,盡快處理,令媒體平台和 Facebook 用戶得以安心。
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